I Don't Care What Religion People Follow

[superhorn]

Just because I'm a liberal doesn't mean that I hate Christians and Christianity or Christ . I don't. I'm not opposed to any particular faith. I'm a non-observant secular Jew, but not an atheist. I have absolutely no problem with people being Christian, whether Catholic,Protestant,evangelical or whatever denomination.
If I dislike SOME Christians, it's not because they're Christian, but because they are narrow-minded,intolerant and self-righteous, and want to impose their religious beliefs and overall agenda on the restof this highly diverse nation, which also consists of many Jews,Muslims,Hindus,Buddhists and people who adhere to many other faiths, as well as atheists and agnostics.
Please be aware that I'm not trying to describe the Christians on this forum as narrow-minded,intolerant and self-righteous. Certainly, many Christians are not fanatics.
I don't care what religion people follow; I believe absolutely in religious freedom for every one. But what I and other liberals are vehemently opposed to is Christians or Muslims or others who want to impose their social agenda on others who don't share their beliefs, such as trying to force the government to make laws which restrict the freedoms of non-christians, or pregnant women, or homosexuals , and to use the constitution as a pretext to impose laws based on their reigious prejudices on the rest of this nation.
This must never happen. Let's just all live and let live, please.

[AndeTL]

Originally Posted by superhorn

Just because I'm a liberal doesn't mean that I hate Christians and Christianity or Christ . I don't. I'm not opposed to any particular faith. I'm a non-observant secular Jew, but not an atheist. I have absolutely no problem with people being Christian, whether Catholic,Protestant,evangelical or whatever denomination.
If I dislike SOME Christians, it's not because they're Christian, but because they are narrow-minded,intolerant and self-righteous, and want to impose their religious beliefs and overall agenda on the restof this highly diverse nation, which also consists of many Jews,Muslims,Hindus,Buddhists and people who adhere to many other faiths, as well as atheists and agnostics.
Please be aware that I'm not trying to describe the Christians on this forum as narrow-minded,intolerant and self-righteous. Certainly, many Christians are not fanatics.
I don't care what religion people follow; I believe absolutely in religious freedom for every one. But what I and other liberals are vehemently opposed to is Christians or Muslims or others who want to impose their social agenda on others who don't share their beliefs, such as trying to force the government to make laws which restrict the freedoms of non-christians, or pregnant women, or homosexuals , and to use the constitution as a pretext to impose laws based on their reigious prejudices on the rest of this nation.
This must never happen. Let's just all live and let live, please.

The problem is that everyone has a world view and everyone attempts to impose that world view on everyone else. Like for instance, liberals through the new health care bill would like to finance abortion. This would be done with my tax dollar so in otherwords they are forcing me to pay for murder with my money. I know I know, that makes me closed minded but before you "jump to any conclusions," take a moment to consider the following:

Abortion is a battle over when it is okay to murder someone. What if someone said that they believed that canablism was okay and that our current laws were preventing them from living how they wanted. Would we all then not be considered closed minded by your definition?

Or perhaps I wanted to own a slave. Would you be considered closed minded to not allow me to do so?

Finally, if you dislike the view a Christian has on abortion then you would be intolerant as well. Mutual tolerance cannot exist as long as there are absolutes. Being that absolutes undoubtably exist, the concept of tolerance will forever be impossible.

There are limits which go beyond "imposing ones religion on someone." These are the limits of morality which comes down to an arguement between world views and not religion as even some Christians are divided on the issue.

[superhorn]

If you don't want the government funding abortions for poor women, are you willing to contribute taxes to support poor unwanted children? If you're not, that's extremely hypocritical. And are you willing to pay the price for bringing lots of poor unwanted children into the world, which is just more poverty,unemployment and crime, and more unwanted pregnancies and abortions?
Poor women are the ones who are least able to take care of their children,born or unborn.It's an extremely unfair burden on them to expect them to bear children they can't afford to take care of.
But conservatives don't want the government to subsidize poor pregnant women,married or single, so that they could provide their children with decent food,shelter,clothing,education and medical care.
Nooooo-that's socialism, and we don't want that here, do we?
Conservatives want to have it both ways.
Obama isn't trying to force women to have abortions. He wants to create conditions in which poor women would be much less likely to seek and obtain them, which is infinitely preferable to what concservatives advocate, and which is totally unrealistic.
And no, liberals generally don't want to impose their religious beliefs and social agenda on others. All they ask is that all Americans keep thei rreligious beliefs to themselves.Is that too much to ask for?

[AndeTL]

Originally Posted by superhorn

If you don't want the government funding abortions for poor women, are you willing to contribute taxes to support poor unwanted children? If you're not, that's extremely hypocritical.

I don't need to. Because with your logic, I could just kill the "poor women" since I am to poor to pay for them and thus they are unwanted.

Churches are perfectly willing to support people in need of this type of help. So, no, there is no crisis at hand. We don't need to be murdering anyone just because we cannot afford them.

And are you willing to pay the price for bringing lots of poor unwanted children into the world, which is just more poverty,unemployment and crime, and more unwanted pregnancies and abortions?

I got it, why don't we kill all of the poor people in America rather than support them with our tax dollars and forget health care.

But conservatives don't want the government to subsidize poor pregnant women,married or single, so that they could provide their children with decent food,shelter,clothing,education and medical care.
Nooooo-that's socialism, and we don't want that here, do we?
Conservatives want to have it both ways.

No, libs want it both ways. They want us to give them all of our money so that they can kill who they want to kill and who they deem "unwanted."

Don't you get the irony that it takes a "born" person to get pregnant. Unborn people can't do it.

At what point do you become "wanted" and who decides?

Obama isn't trying to force women to have abortions. He wants to create conditions in which poor women would be much less likely to seek and obtain them, which is infinitely preferable to what concservatives advocate, and which is totally unrealistic.

Nah, he's just taking yet another page out of Saul Alinsky's book.

If Margret Sanger got her way we wouldn't have Obama today. Yes, some wackos out there would rejoice in that, but I don't. I know that God has a special purpose for every human life and that we are all given the sacred right to precious life.

And no, liberals generally don't want to impose their religious beliefs and social agenda on others. All they ask is that all Americans keep thei rreligious beliefs to themselves.Is that too much to ask for?

Only they redefine the term religion to mean "Christianity." In other words, shut up Christians and listen to us. The problem is I don't believe in the religion of death and don't wish to be forced to either.